tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11875966.post419106124645076007..comments2023-10-20T07:28:50.948-07:00Comments on Better Bibles Blog: Reflections on Eternal Subordination and UnityWayne Lemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18024771201561767893noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11875966.post-53213281908851428482007-09-23T16:34:00.000-07:002007-09-23T16:34:00.000-07:00I would suppose that slaves were addressed as a cl...I would suppose that slaves were addressed as a class. Men and women are slaves, there is no gendered position for them. Men and women can be monarchs, no gendered position for them. In 19th century England it is quite obvious that upper class women were leaders in respect to working class men. It is only very recently and in the North American Christian community, that hierarchy and power are understood to be gendered positions.<BR/><BR/>About mothers, I am not sure.Suzanne McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11875966.post-91691579090165184312007-09-23T15:03:00.000-07:002007-09-23T15:03:00.000-07:00There is a mutuality to the submission. And to the...<I>There is a mutuality to the submission. And to the authority.</I><BR/><BR/>Jesus in tri-unity show this. Well put, and great post, Mike. <BR/><BR/>Suzanne, in your <A HREF="http://englishbibles.blogspot.com/2007/09/reflections-on-september.html" REL="nofollow">Reflections on September</A>, you commented in reply back to Peter that "I definitely think this is cultural," and you show how cultural our readings of hierarchy can be in <A HREF="http://powerscourt.blogspot.com/2007/09/council-for-biblical-hierarchy.html" REL="nofollow"> Council for Biblical Hierarchy</A>.<BR/><BR/>(Dr. Carolyn Osiek, here at TCU's Brite Divinity School, has noted how women slaves were not at all explicitly addressed and were taken advantage of by the NT silence). my questions: When Paul and Peter write to churches, they address wives and husbands, children and fathers, and slaves and masters. Why not mothers? Why not female slaves as distinct from male slaves? Are these merely interpretation questions? Or does mutuality make these also questions for Bible translation?J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11875966.post-54506386570158971922007-09-22T19:02:00.000-07:002007-09-22T19:02:00.000-07:00Thanks Mike for expanding on my post.Thanks Mike for expanding on my post.Suzanne McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11875966.post-83743541426456375282007-09-22T13:04:00.000-07:002007-09-22T13:04:00.000-07:00Well said, Mike!Well said, Mike!Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11875966.post-9873335443483869432007-09-22T09:46:00.000-07:002007-09-22T09:46:00.000-07:00What a lovely thought - and how accurate to bring ...What a lovely thought - and how accurate to bring John 17 into this discussion. This resolves some of the perspective that is missing in the understanding of the Church - both our subjective understanding which tends to separate issues that must not be separated and our self-understanding as object, church.Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.com